Child likes to hurt himself and others

cameos

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My nephew is 6 years old and constantly telling people that he likes pain. He’s been like this since he could talk, trying to jump off of things or ask other kids to kick/hit him. He’s also hurting others. For example, he was laying down on the couch next to my mother and he proceeded to kick her in the face. Or he hits your stomach whenever he walks past or gets verbal by telling people they’re ugly/stupid/stink. I can’t leave him alone with my dog either. She’s very sweet and good around kids, but he will pet her and act as if he will poke her eye or pinch her (he hasn’t done that (yet), thank God, but I will never leave them unsupervised).

This afternoon I walked the dog with him and he started telling me how much he likes pain. I told him that he should treat himself with love and that he shouldn’t hurt himself, but he continued to talk about how it excites him. He also hyper focuses on repeatedly telling people that he’s hurt whenever he injured himself on purpose. He did it right after by hitting his head on the side of the car door — I could see that it wasn’t an accident, cause he was checking if I looked when he started bumping his head. He also fantasizes about breaking something or lies and says that he ones broke his leg/arm/foot.

My sister is a strict person, but she never hits or screams at her children (the same for her husband). She’s a children’s psychologist for kids up to 18 years old and her husband is a teacher for severely maladjusted children (excuse me if this is not how you say it, English is not my first language). You’d think they’d know how to approach the situation, but nothing helps. My other nephew (10) is very empathetic/sensitive and well behaved, they’re polar opposites. Our family is aware of the situation and we all correct him when he’s acting like this, but it doesn’t stop. In general, in our family this is the first time that a kid behaves like this.

Would love someone else’s perspective, what to do?
 
@cameos Could it be some sort of sensory issue? My son is a lot like how you’re describing your nephew. He has been diagnosed Autism and ADHD.
He doesn’t seem to feel pain and will purposely jump off high equipment so he crashes to the ground.
He also hurts other children, sometimes through rough play (he doesn’t seem to recognise his strength) , he caught him squeezing our cat and when speaking to him he was giving it cuddles and wanted to rub the cat on his face because its fur was so soft and he likes it..other times he will hit a child because he said they did something to him, it could be something as little as got in a queue before him. Or they accidentally fell into him and his perception is they did it on purpose.
Maybe have a social communication assessment on him?
 
@thehundreds Interesting that you say this, my sister has been saying that she thinks he has ADHD — but diagnosing is more accurate after age 6. The sensory issue and potential autism would make sense. Especially since it seems he’s deep down very sensitive but misunderstood. I don’t think he necessarily likes pain, but I think he just needs constant stimuli and adrenaline (like you said, sensory issue related).

I’ll let her know! We’ve been thinking about getting a second opinion somewhere, since diagnosing your own child is very tricky. Thank you!
 
@cameos My son is now 8 and wasn’t diagnosed with autism until he was 6 and only recently been diagnosed ADHD.
I would definitely get a second opinion. All through my little boys early years they blamed it on me having PPD but as a mum you just know your child more than anyone. I regret leaving it as long as I did and not speaking up more, it was actually when he got sent to a specialist school that they started looking into Asd/Adhd.
I would request the assessments, even if it can be ruled out then you can look at whatever else could be the cause of these behaviours.
Make notes of things he does that might seem irrelevant but could be a sign of something more.
My son currently eats everything in sight. And I mean it’s like he never gets full. 24 chocolate bars in one sitting he had, I woke up to find the wrappers. He eats sugar, lemons, frozen things, all for that sensory input. I got a phone call off school to tell me he had been eating a wall one day😂
 
@cameos I’d say both siblings are just as sensitive & empathetic. You can utilize a structured process of elimination regarding what could be causing this behavior not how to directly deal with it. Pain & pleasure are closely related in our brain. There is a fine line between both. It sometimes could be a conflicting inner situation.

I’d look first at his environment, his house, his friends, what he watches on television, mainly what he is “repeatedly” exposed to. You said it started when he started to talk it could be a way for him to communicate/externalize something that he wants to make sense of. A huge part of this is wanting to send a message, by telling people he’s hurt.

Some people say that when children act out in such ways that we’re supposed to just ignore them or discipline them or that they just want attention. I’m sure you have tried everything. Your efforts are commendable. I have a suggestion about being curious about what he is doing & feeling. In reality you are very much curious & concerned. We tend to want to act like we know it all when it comes to our children, when in reality they have got most of the answers.

If he does something like the car incident, maybe don’t directly react or look. However, have a conversation with him about his behavior. Try not to act concerned, try something differently. It may even shock him that you want to know how he feels when he does this or that. Ask him what is it similar to? Is it similar to something else he has done? Don’t talk about pain directly let him name things & converse in his own language. Make him compare it to something normal he does.

Externalize his feelings for him. Let him see how “pain” is not good by letting him talk about another experience that he deems is similar then you deconstruct the differences for him. This method will also help you eliminate reasons as to why he is doing what he is doing. So you can have more clarity. Approach with your inner child’s curiosity & the warmth of a protective safe adult.

Stay strong!
 

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