Thoughts on my ex leaving our 5 year old at home while she goes to the bus stop for her other kids?

avimay

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Hey all thanks for replying.

Here is the exact text exchange:

Me: M just said he was scared this morning because you took the kids to the bus stop and let him stay home and it was 30 minutes late

Her: Indeed

Me: Okay I'm assuming R or someone is home at the time right lol

Her: It's hard for him to walk to the bus stop with us in the mornings, and it's been pretty rainy lately so he likes to stay home and watch TV while I walk them to the bus stop. Usually it takes about 20 minutes from the time I leave til the time I get back. Today it was 45 minutes and I had to make a decision halfway in, whether to leave D and L at the bus stop to wait, or have M wait longer than usual. I was going to leave L and D but when I weighed the chances of something bad happening to anybody, I felt that it would be safer to stay with them until the bus got there. There are not a lot of potentially horrible things that may have happened to him at home, and I felt that he was safer there by himself than L and D would have been by themselves at the bus stop

Her: It was not something that happened intentionally, and i literally ran home as soon as i saw the bus coming around the corner. And no, he's by himself in the morning when he chooses not to go to the bus stop. He's been responsible and made good choices, and normally he's not scared. When it's raining I'm not gonna force him to walk 20 minutes in the rain if he doesn't want to. He's not a baby, I know it's a weird concept, but normally he's fine for 20 minutes

Me: I can't tell you what to do but I don't let him stay home for the 6 minutes it takes me to get (my stepdaughter) to her bus. It's difficult walking somewhere in a timely fashion but maybe a wagon or something he can sit in. I know it's not malicious but I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing he goes with you to the bus stop. Like you said there's minimum risk but there's still risk.

Her: I think he should be able to choose for himself man, 6 minutes in the rain is a lot different than 20. I ask him every morning if he wants to get dressed and go with us and usually he doesn't. In my opinion it is an acceptable level of independence and it builds trust between us. However, yes, this morning was bullshit so I'll try to remind him that the bus can be late next time when he says he wants to stay home
 
@avimay Depends on the kid. My 8 year old still freaks out if I try to leave her home for 10min while I run to the corner store. My 5 year old couldn't care less.

They have a smart watch to contact me. They know the neighbors, etc...

All depends on your situation
 
@lsugrl Thank you! I do not get these people saying “it depends.” NO. The answer is NO, a 5yo should never be left in a house without grownups.
 
@avimay If it down to the corner, across the street, down a few blocks, get over it. But depends on the kid too. If they watch tv without moving, I wouldn’t worry.
 
@avimay People are being dramatic. How long is she gone for? Can she still see the house?

Literally every parent in my complex leaves their kids at home while they walk the older ones to the bus stop, unless their kids are toddlers and can climb over baby gates and open doors.

I’m sure your 5 year old has the cognitive ability to survive for 5 minutes unsupervised.

People who live in massive houses are sometimes farther from their kids in their homes than I would be from my kid if I stood at the bus stop.
 
@avimay Some states have laws specifying when kids can be left alone. In Maryland kids have to be 8 before they can be left alone. That said, if the bus stop is within sight of the house I probably wouldn't worry about it.
 
@avimay Jkw118 gave a great reply so I won't repeat my similar thoughts.

It's difficult walking somewhere in a timely fashion but maybe a wagon or something he can sit in. I know it's not malicious but I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing he goes with you to the bus stop.

I really appreciate this. You acknowledged the difficulty, offered a solution, and expressed your feelings without attacking. Well done.

Then, (if I were her) I'd have a conversation with my kid something to the tune of "hey, I understand my delay yesterday made you nervous. I was feeling uncomfortable too. I don't want either of us to feel that way again so from now on, we'll use a wagon and stick together!
 
@chw777 Yeah but she’s being stubborn like usual so I’m sure she will just ask him like she says she is going to instead of forcing him to go like I make the kids do at my house.
 
@avimay Leaving a child around that same age alone was a big part of me 40m getting primary custody of my kids recently.
It was a long expensive stressful deal though.
 
Hey all thanks for replying.

Here is the exact text exchange:

Me: M just said he was scared this morning because you took the kids to the bus stop and let him stay home and it was 30 minutes late

Her: Indeed

Me: Okay I'm assuming R or someone is home at the time right lol

Her: It's hard for him to walk to the bus stop with us in the mornings, and it's been pretty rainy lately so he likes to stay home and watch TV while I walk them to the bus stop. Usually it takes about 20 minutes from the time I leave til the time I get back. Today it was 45 minutes and I had to make a decision halfway in, whether to leave D and L at the bus stop to wait, or have M wait longer than usual. I was going to leave L and D but when I weighed the chances of something bad happening to anybody, I felt that it would be safer to stay with them until the bus got there. There are not a lot of potentially horrible things that may have happened to him at home, and I felt that he was safer there by himself than L and D would have been by themselves at the bus stop

Her: It was not something that happened intentionally, and i literally ran home as soon as i saw the bus coming around the corner. And no, he's by himself in the morning when he chooses not to go to the bus stop. He's been responsible and made good choices, and normally he's not scared. When it's raining I'm not gonna force him to walk 20 minutes in the rain if he doesn't want to. He's not a baby, I know it's a weird concept, but normally he's fine for 20 minutes

Me: I can't tell you what to do but I don't let him stay home for the 6 minutes it takes me to get (my stepdaughter) to her bus. It's difficult walking somewhere in a timely fashion but maybe a wagon or something he can sit in. I know it's not malicious but I would feel a lot more comfortable knowing he goes with you to the bus stop. Like you said there's minimum risk but there's still risk.

Her: I think he should be able to choose for himself man, 6 minutes in the rain is a lot different than 20. I ask him every morning if he wants to get dressed and go with us and usually he doesn't. In my opinion it is an acceptable level of independence and it builds trust between us. However, yes, this morning was bullshit so I'll try to remind him that the bus can be late next time when he says he wants to stay home
 
@avimay The whole issue is that he's only 5 and may not always make the best decisions 🤦🏻‍♀️, so giving him a reminder that the bus might be late doesn't take into account the fact that he's only 5 and can't possibly imagine the dangerous choices he could make during that extended time.
 
@heavensvoice And what’s a watch going to do if something happens and mom or dad is 20min away because of weather delay? If he started a fire that’s enough time to do damage. It’s enough time to choke on something and no one there to make sure he doesn’t choke to death. It’s enough time for someone to break in or knock on the door and kidnap him. I’m sorry at 5 he shouldn’t be given the choice that’s an adult decision.
 
@espy So just make sure he’s already done eating before you leave. If he’s choking in a different room in your house you wouldn’t be able to help either. If you go out an garden while the kids are in the house you won’t see them set a fire.

You make decisions about reasonable risks every day. You have to or you wouldn’t be able to shower or do anything else without your child right next to you.

If I have to leave the house for a few minutes I have a security system that my son knows how to call emergency services on and he has a phone (same as having a smart watch) and he can call me, or just stay on the phone with me, the whole time I’m gone.

He’s in the comfort of his own home. He’s cognitively developed enough to understand danger. If he’s going to set the house on fire it’s going to happen one way or another if he is playing with fire for fun while his mom is gone twenty minutes. It’s not like mom is going to hand him some matches as she goes out the door. Hopefully everyone is teaching their kids to leave the house in event of any fire and is doing fire drills with them.
 
@espy I agree. But I’m afraid of pushing these points to my ex, we have a good relationship now and I don’t want to say the wrong thing like I probably will. She lives out in the sticks, her next neighbor is maybe 2-5 mins away. That’s good, but it’s also a reason she needs to take him everywhere she goes.

Should I talk to my 5 year old and tell him I don’t think this is okay, and he should go with mama every time?
 
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