@keithparagon My NCT group includes some first and some second time parents and the second time parents sleep trained their babies at 4-6 months. Now other mums in the group are struggling with sleep and she's singing the praises of sleep training and it's so hard to keep my mouth shut. But I'm not walking in their shoes so I don't want to tell them what to do. Luckily my husband is as anti-CIO/sleep-training as I am so we are united on that. What baby wants, he needs, and he gets but I know what you're saying, it hurts my heart to think of all these babies crying without being cuddled.